@Triple H.

With respect, I have not told any "porkies", nor advised anybody to do anything illeagal. I know by the way you write your posts that you do not like my presence on this forum, but unfortunately I must remind you that I have as much right to advise and help people as anyone else would. EVERYTHING I have stated is fact and is directly taken from govrnment websites and official bodies. With regards to gbsa's topic, I have not recomended that he enters Ireland without a visa. I have stated that it is an option he could try, though I do not know for sure it's concequences, and I have made that clear. The truth is, and I'll be quite honest, I'm not an expert. I do not know the exact procedure for a visa-required non-EEA spouse of an EEA national to enter and reside (along with his EEA spouse), in the Republic of Ireland.

For your information, whilst "offically" any visa-required national that enters the UK must have a valid visa, the UK-ROI agreement means that there are no boarder posts or immigration checkpoints between the two states. Even if a non-EEA national enters and physically asks an immigration officer to stamp their passport / inspect visa, they will be told that it's not required, as they have arrived to the UK from ROI. I am telling this from my own personal experience.

Lastly friend, I do not pretend to know anything I don't, but I share information I do know. Is that not what forums are about?

 

All clear,

People entering Ireland as non -EU married to UK or other EU nationals usually get 3 months visitors visa,unless they hold themselves 5 year permit.Once visa has been granted they can enter the state,letter usually accompany the visa stating they should report to within 3 months to Justice Dept.

Once the holder of the EU/UK passport has a acommodation and a job further application follows which would give all the rights to non-EU CITIZEN.Takes few weeks.

Justice DEPT
EUROPEAN SECTION,
3RD FLOOR
13-14 BURGH QUAY
DUBLIN 2


I live in Ireland , UK myself,non-EU wife ,up to date info!

 

I know by the way you write your posts that you do not like my presence on this forum,

NONSENSE

 

"Common travel area UK-Ireland"

Lets say chinese man with UK resident permit try to board plane at Heatrow to Dublin.He would be refused if he does not have a valid Irish visa.
Nigerian man with residence permit Ireland on the ferry to Liverpool if asked to produce passport with no visa for UK would be deported back to Ireland.
Common travel area between UK and Ireland is well short of Schengen common area where you can move freely.

You are UK national and your wife non-visa national.

 

I did not disagree with ben entirely,far from that.Useful info he has provided.

 

I gess this will say all@

http://oasis.gov.ie/moving_country/movi ... =border+uk

 

Triple H: You say that a visa-required national must have a valid visa to enter the UK. I agree with you. However, the exception is when entering from ROI. There are no immigration posts in place as it is a common travel area. When you depart either ROI or UK, destined for the other, you do not pass departing immigration (is this called "emmigration"?). Even a stateless person can board a plane or ship, as there are no boarder controls between this common travel area. It's like this, you go to the airport, check in (you can show your driving license or passport, just to prove who you are), then go to departures and wait for your flight. There are specific lanes to pass through for UK-ROI flights, as these are considered internal flights, and have no passport control to speak of. I get what you're saying, and I agree that, as they are two seperate countries entirely, boarder/immigration controls should be in place to prevent the traffic of illegals and the like, but, because of the common travel area agreement in place, as for as travelling between the two states are concerned, they are considered one big country. Try it - next time you fly from ROI to UK. When you arrive and don't pass immigration, find an immigration officer and ask them how they stop illegals entering the UK from the ROI, they'll say they don't, due to the no-boarder policy between the two states. It's a law that was passed many many years ago (I've no idea exactly when), but it makes Britain and Ireland like one big country (in this aspect). Triple H, I know you find this whole issue bizarre, and to be honest my friend, I do too! But believe me, I really did ask the Chief Immigration officer at Luton, and talked to him for about 15 minutes too. I asked him to look at my wife's passport, check it, see if it's real, stamp it, check for visas, anything - he didn't even want to look at it nor even ask my wife's nationality. He simply kept saying that there are no boarder controls, anybody is free to move between the UK and ROI. Strange, but true.

 

I understand entirely what you are saying but the fact is that non-EU comming to the UK with no proper visa are in fact breaking the law.
We can not encourage that.
I will be going to the UK sometime this year.My wife will need visa.I would not dream of going that route you suggested.

 

Paragraph 15(ii)

http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/ind/en ... art_1.html

 

I just want to say that all the posts here have been extremely useful. Ben has given his opinions and experiences as have Triple H and all the rest to the best of their intentions.

For me personally, there is no way I can have a discussion with the immigration control officer that certain information at a certain website posted by certain people said this and that. I can however quote from the IND website or have a printed email from the FCO. Make sense?

I have also seen that folks coming in from the ROI did not go through passport control and basically unchecked. So I see where Ben is coming from. However, I am not sure if it is legal in this particular situation. It will be quite tricky if for some reason the person concerned is stopped by the Police and documents asked to be checked, and is found out that he actually has no valid travel permission.

 

irish visa

hello
I red all that posts about irish resident. I'm polish national my husband is algerian .we decided to apply for him for tourist visa, and then register ourselves in Garda National Immigration Bureau in Dublin, but I don't know if we can do it, because I am polish.Does it make any difference for Irish Garda? or they will treat us like any other mix marriage (eu and non-eu). Does somebody know if we can obtain the irish resident (even one year)for my husband?
thanks

 

Re: irish visa

The fact that you are Polish makes no difference. As you are an EEA resident, you have the right to reside in Ireland. Your non-EEA husband also has this right. Once in Ireland, simply visit Garda National Immigration Bureau in Dublin OR your local Garda Station if you reside outside of Dublin. Today I went to the local Garda Station here in Waterford. I asked him why, when my non-EEA wife and I (an EEA national), visited GNIB in Dublin, my wife was only given 1 years residency, rather than 5 years, as per European regulations. Interestingly, the officer told me that firstly, I did not need to visit GNIB in Dublin, and could simply have gone to see him instead, as I am living in Waterford, and not Dublin (note, this is controrary to the info given at http://www.entemp.ie/labour/workpermits ... iedeea.htm). Secondly, he told me that had I have done so, he would have granted the correct period of 5 years residency, and not 1 year. In short, from what the immigration officer at Waterford Garda Station told me this morning, non-EEA nationals residing in Ireland, married to EEA nationals also residing in Ireland, are immediately eligible for 5 years residency.

 

Ben, your case is unique, for the reason that your wife is non-visa national.Her singaporean citizenship allowed her to come without prior visa and apply within Ireland.
Visa nationals have to apply and usually are granted 3 months visitors visa.If EU national with them just arrived as well he would need a job and accomodation to sort out.All these details and bank account statments etc should be sent to Justice Department for further 1 year visa.
You have to be residing in the state (working,living )so your family member can be granted 5 year residence.

 

so does it mean if we go to ireland, I can not ask for residence for my husbund, I must work to do this.Is that right?

 

I would advise you to get a job!

 

hi,my name is Abdul.i am lived in uk now.i got british nationalty n british paasbort.i am thinking that move to dublin.i am merried in pakistan last year.my wife and daughter got pakistani paasport.i got 7th months old daughter is well.how can i bring my wife n my daughter in ireland.how many months shell i have to work in ireland before i spancer my wife.i dont wana live uk anymore.i am fed up uk life.will u please help me sir.how can i bring my wife in dublin.witch visas i have to apply for my wife n daughter.how long it will b take sir.how long i have to work in ireland.please sir i am looking forwood for ur mail.thankyou.Abdul from Manchester uk.

 

Im non-EU national with a Permanent Residence Permit in a new EU memberstate. My spouse is citizen of that state, so she is EU national legally living and working in Ireland. Actually am not sure if i wish to stay in Ireland for long in the future, but for now i’d like to visit my wife as often as i like. Guy in embassy only suggests getting a one time entrance visa for 3 months or multi entrance visa valid for 1 year. And the boring thing about it is each time the visa is ended i have to bring lots of papers (passport copies w translations, marriage certificate w translations, invitations and some more) to the embassy and wait after my application is made for weeks. Is it possible for me to get in Ireland once with 1 time entrance visa and apply at local Garda Station for 5 years residence permit to avoid this sad inconvenience and freely move?

 

If you have a time read THIS page and you will find the answer

 

Well, im not trying to be complicated, as written above it’s quite easy to obtain 5 year permit if the spouse is EU national and she is legally work and live in ROI and if you are going to live and work there too (correct?), but as im not going to settle in Ireland there is already a stamp of permanent residence in other country in my passport witch i don’t want to refuse. Have to find out Is it a problem or not now, because i don’t want waste time solving this question once im in Ireland.

The fact is officials often less informed or too busy to suggest the easiest way of doing things, so it is up to this community i grateful to.
Thanks again.