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  1. Lovehearts

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    Ireland Spouse VIsa Info.

    I have no idea where to start with this visa.

    My fiancee from outside europe and i have been together for 2 years, and i am keen to bring him to the uk to live. To cut a long story short, the chance of him achieving a uk spouse visa is low. I realised that i could apply for irish citezenship by descent, and i could bring him to ireland to live instead.

    As i said, i am compelely lost and have no idea where to start.
    I would be grateful if someone could answer the following questions for me..

    What is required for a spouse visa? Eg, pictures, email copies, phone bills?
    Would i require to have a bought house, or could i rent?
    How long do we need to be married?
    Roughly what salary would i need to be earning?
    Once he arrives in ireland, how long would he have to be living there before he is allowed to travel to britan, and to live and work in britan?

    I honestly thank whoever replies from my heart, it is really appriciated. Xxxxx
     
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    Re: Ireland Spouse VIsa Info.

    If you guys ultimately want to live in UK, then you can either go the way you suggested or he could join you straight in the UK instead of going through Ireland i.e. under EU rules after you secure your Irish citizenship. If I were you, I would go for the latter since it would be a lot quicker and cheaper.

    My answers to the questions would be;

    - Yes, that and everything else to prove your relationship is genuine.
    - No need to be the owner, you can rent.
    - No time limit.
    - No specific amount but should be enough for expenses of both of you.
    - 5 years i.e. once he gets Irish citizenship.

    Good luck
     
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    Re: Ireland Spouse VIsa Info.

    Thankyou soo much for your reply yousafzai, i honestly thought i wasn't getting one haha. I have been getting so many different replies that i didn't know what to believe anymore.

    Can i just ask if that's ok, are you sure about the no time limit?
     
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    Re: Ireland Spouse VIsa Info.

    Yes I am sure. There was such a provision where the couple had to live outside Ireland for one year before they could come to Ireland but that has been removed since it was decalred illegal by the EU court.

    Good luck
     
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    Hello and welcome!

    Are you planning to move to Ireland and are worried about the moving process? One of the first steps to succeed with your expatriation is to properly prepare yourself for the move.

    How should you arrange the move? Can you do-it-yourself with help from friends, or do you need help from a professional international mover?

    What do you plan to take and to leave? Will you need all your furniture, or will it be easier/cheaper to buy most things once you have arrived? Are electrical appliances compatible in Ireland?

    How can you bring your car? Is it worth it?

    What tips and advice can you share with us about your move to Ireland? If you are preparing for your move currently – what questions do you have? If you have already completed a move – what are your tips?

    Thanks in advance for sharing! :D
     
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    Visa for doctor's spouse

    HI all,
    I am an Indian married to a Sri Lankan, residing in Sri Lanka.
    My husband has got a job with the Public sector in Mullingar General Hospital. We are hoping to apply for a visa soon. I read in the Ireland embassy website which states that :

    The twelve month waiting period does not apply for the following categories:
    • persons participating in the Green card programme
    • doctors, including temporarily registered doctors
    • Persons who are legally employed in other high skill areas on a case by case basis and with particular regard to any advice provided by relevant State or semi-State bodies. Refer to www.entemp.ie for full details of Employment permit arrangements effective from January 2007.


    I want to know if I can apply for a visa to enter Ireland along with my husband.
    His employment offer letter states his salary, accommodation , flight ticket will be provided and Medical indemnity covered. Does he still need to provide a bank statement?

    any help will be appreciated.
     
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    Re: Ireland Spouse VIsa Info.

    Hi,
    I hope someone can help me too. I am a kenyan getting married in a few months to an irish national. We met in the UK in 2010 but i have since moved to kenya for work and he lives in ireland. He has been here on several occasions but i have been unsuccessful in going to meet him in ireland. In 2012, we applied for a short stay visa so i could spend christmas with his family but that was rejected on financial grounds and proving our relationship was real. We thought we just needed to show that he is gainfully employed. We also attached his visas to kenya but we were later told that that only proves that he was in kenya, not that he came to see me.

    Anyway, we have decided to get married in kenya and i move to ireland after that. I am worried about reapplying because of the 1st rejection. Also, we have conflicting info on how to prove he can support me. The truth is that he has a good job but with all the travelling to kenya and his mortgage, and the upcoming wedding, we are worried that the balance on the account may not be good...plus we have no clue how much we should show. Someone else in ireland told him that when we are married, we do not need to include a bank statement, just the p60 and payslips. Is this correct?

    Please advise as we are stuck. I will be submitting my application for a d spouse visa in november.

    Thanks
     
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    Re: Ireland Spouse Visa Info

    A good place to start is with the Guide to Dublin that covers info on visas in Ireland.

    I've heard that when applying while dating you should include personal information like proof of plans/trips you've made together, valentines day cards, anything informal that roves you have a relationship. After the wedding, proof of marriage should solidify this.

    I assume you've been in contact with the nearest Irish embassy & Garda National Immigration Bureau (GNIB), have you been able to ask them directly? And immigration attorneys are expensive, but they can really help state your case.

    Anyone else have advice or information?
     
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    Re: Ireland Spouse VIsa Info.

    Hello Cometoireland ,

    If you relocate to Ireland, you won't have so much travel to Kenya probably. And in anycase, the amount of traveling and leisure is not taken into account when you assess the support income needs.
    Once you are married you will need to check Join Family for the documentation you must submit with the visa application.
    As per the official page you will see the criteria:
    And as surely you will wonder what sufficient funds mean ;-), it means income above the threshold which would qualify the family for payment under the Family Income Supplement (FIS) Scheme administered by the Department of Social Protection.

    All information :arrow: on that page (however it is not very clear whether they consider costs to relocate etc... howver I think all in all it means that you have sufficient funds so the state does not need to support you).
     
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    Re: Ireland Spouse Visa Info

    Thank you for the response. I have been reading through the links all day. At least we now know that we should include everything and anything. In my next application, along with the marriage certificate, we will include pictures, emails, hotel bookings etc...even Skype call logs...lol.

    The issue on finances is our major challenge. What is the threshold? We have been in touch with the Irish consulate here in Nairobi, Garda and even INIS but no one can give us a figure. They just tell us to prove that I can live in Ireland without relying on public funds. But what is the figure...If we knew an exact number then we would work around that. In the UK they give a clear figure so you know the least amount you should show. Both of us work but he is the one who needs to show he can support me. He earns a good salary so if they can accept the p60 and payslips then we have nothing to worry about. But if we need to show a statement, then roughly how much do we need to show?

    It is such a confusing process. We just hope to get through it in one piece.

    Thanks again for your help
     
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    Thank you for the detailed reply. Yes, after I move to Ireland, our visits to Kenya will not be as frequent though at least a trip once a year to see my family. I wonder though, what do they check on the statement...do they check the final balance or do they monitor the use of funds in the account? Simply saying that we need to show proof of funds is not enough. Some can survive on 100 euro a day while others can stretch that same amount to a week (just trying to say that peoples spending habits are different depending on lifestyle)These trips to Kenya have not been cheap (we have made it a habit to travel somewhere during each of his visits). In our case, Mike is not a legal resident in Kenya...I.e he only comes here to visit me and my family but he intends to travel here then we will travel back together if my visa is approved. I will do some more research on this and hope to get some clarity.

    Thanks again for your help. If you have any more information for me please let me know.
     
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    Re: Ireland Spouse VIsa Info.

    No they do not monitor the account. The principle is that they don't want you to be in a position to claim benefits right at the beginning, so your level of spending does not matter on that calculation.

    In the UK (for comparison, and to give an example), it could mean a balance of £62,500 if there is no other income (see here). Otherwise it must meet the annual income t of £18,600.
     
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    Re: Ireland Spouse VIsa Info.

    Hi, as your country of residence is UK he will have to apply as an UK citizen's fiancé from his country before to come over here.
    Cheers
    more info at Home Office website (find it out through google)
     
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    Irish Spouse Visa: Applying outside EU.

    Hi guys

    I'm new to this forum (but I have posted these questions on another website). I'm hoping to find someone who has practical experience of applying for a spouse visa (in my case: for my civil partner) outside Europe (in my case: China) to return to Ireland with me after I finish working here.

    About me/us: Planning to apply for an Irish spouse visa (obviously unrelated to the UK and EC Treaty Rights). Dual Northern Irish person (both Irish/British passports) working in China. UK Civil partnership registered with Chinese national in 2011.

    Couple of questions to bounce off you guys.

    1) I have not been able to find guidance as to the financial threshold
    required to be capable of subsisting without recourse to public funds on
    the INIS website. Is any specific guidance available on this? I have an
    amount of 20,000GBP in my Northern Irish based bank accounts and the
    equivalent of 6,000GBP in my Chinese bank account. My partner also has the
    equivalent of 6,000GBP in his Chinese bank account. By the time I return to
    Ireland this amount will have further increased. Do these figures seem
    feasible? Would there be any issue that all my money is in UK and Chinese bank accounts. Obviously this can be withdrawn anywhere in the world and I would be opening an Irish (Euro) bank account when I go back.

    2)I would not expect finding a job of some sort to be a major problem (I'm willing to do anything at the start). However, I may not have secured a job offer before my civil partner applies for the visa. Will this be an issue? Is it a requirement of the spouse visa that I have a secured position in Ireland before my partner applies? I note that the INIS website states that pay-slips should be submitted. We met in China whilst I was studying here and I have worked here ever since to ensure that we can be together. Due to this, I have not worked in Europe since 2006. Therefore, without leaving him to go back to Ireland first, I would not be able to provide pay-slips when he applies.

    3) As I used to work for a bank and was sent to China
    to work on a project (organized out of London), my Chinese
    visas are all in my British passport. Would this be an issue when applying
    for the visa in Beijing, as the INIS website states that I must be able to
    provide that I, the Irish citizen, has been living in the other country
    legally. Being a dual citizen, is it possible for me to provide evidence of
    living legally in China by way of Chinese visas in my British passport?
    Would this be considered sufficient? I have stamps in my Irish passport for
    when we have travelled to other countries/areas together on holiday (e.g.
    Hong Kong/Malaysia).

    4) My permanent address is in Northern Ireland and I would need to rent a
    house in the State on my return (I am currently living in China).Would this
    preclude him from applying for the visa? Do I need to first of all rent
    accommodation in the State and then have him apply for the visa after this
    is sorted? I'm guessing that a hotel address would not be enough to successful get this visa?

    Anyone got any experience of this kind of application? I'd be really interested in hearing from you guys!

    Thanks in advance
    Clive
     
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    Re: Irish Spouse Visa: Applying outside EU.

    As they say on another forum (BritishExpats ;-) ), I would also recommend to consult a lawyer/solicitor specialised in immigration rules.

    Looking a bit at your case, I am very confused. What I guess from reading is:
    You are Irish (male) and live in China ? You want to go back to Ireland (Northern Ireland/UK immigration or Eire?) with your Chinese partner ?

    You might find valuable information in that discussion: englishman-relocating-with-chinese-wife-and-daughter-t31138.html#p74797
    This is not exactly your case but it has similarity, including the Chinese nationality of the other one and the minimum threshold valid for UK.

    Of course, as it seems the case, if you want to apply for an Irish (Eire, not British) visa, the threshold rules might be a bit different (and in euros).

    You, the Irish citizen has been living legally in the China, there is no problem about that. It's sufficient to show Chinese official documents. Illegal would mean that you do not have them, disregarding the nationality you hold.

    You will find also more information about Irish immigration in those links:
    http://download.pwc.com/ie/pubs/2013_ir ... hanges.pdf
    http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Im ... o%20follow

    PS: Just an idea :idea: : as you have dual nationality, you might also apply for immigration to the UK, and then move to Eire with your partner under the free to move European treaty.

    Anyway, please keep us informed of your progress please. :thumbup:
     
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    Re: Irish Spouse Visa: Applying outside EU.

    Hi there

    Thanks a lot for the reply!

    You're quite right about the situation, but at this time I'm not planning to apply under the UK Rules, I am going to have my civil partner apply for an Irish spouse entry visa.

    I understand most of the visa requirements, but have a few specific questions (e.g. around savings/income, address on arrival) but I guess no-one else seems to have those issues :(

    I'm not (according to the outcome of the McCarthy case) able to take advantage of the EU Treaty Rules due to dual nationality of the UK and Ireland. However, a move to another EU state (as well as some EEA states) first and then a return to either Ireland or the UK under Surinder Singh would be possible.

    I'll keep things updated as they happen, but as always, the Embassy hasn't been able to provide any specific info on the questions that I noted above. They say that these are some of the things they are going to assess in the application.

    Thanks again! Take care
    Chaoclive
     
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    Re: Irish Spouse Visa: Applying outside EU.

    Indeed you cannot use the EU treaty rules for neither Ireland or UK.
    But although you're not considering it, the UK border website provides much more information hat you can check for your case, would you wish to apply trough the UK rules...

    But as you rightly said, an easier option could be to move to another EU state.
     
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    Re: Irish Spouse Visa: Applying outside EU.

    Think I'm gonna stick with the Irish spouse visa at this stage. If that isn't successful (which, it seems is very likely), I'll consider renouncing Irish citizenship and use British citizenship to apply for a family permit for a British citizen OR apply for a permit for Spain/Germany/The Netherlands etc.

    Thanks a lot for your input!
    C
     

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